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14 September, 2009

A Multi-Site Church Roadtrip Leadership Guru Stop

by cubfann

Welcome to day four of our conversations with senior pastors featured in our new book – A Multi-site Church Road Trip.  No reason to leave Texas so soon … so today we check with Steve Stroope, Senior Pastor at Lake Point Church.

Lake Pointe ChurchSteve, you say in Multi-site Church Road Trip that you and the team at Lake Pointe are always looking for leaders.  Outside of folks that are in your church, where and how do you look?

We utilize two primary profiles in vetting potential leaders to invite to the Lake Pointe team.  One is Strengthsfinders by the Gallup organization, which is a measurement of strengths.  This is not a personality profile.  It measures something entirely different.  It measures competencies.  When combined with a good personality profile, it gives you a good indication of how one will approach a task and their likelihood of success.  The second tool we use is a form of the DISC.  The one we use was developed by John Trent and is a profile called Leading From Your Strengths.

In addition to these two profiles, we are looking for someone with strong character and a strong track record of leadership.  Of course, there is no profile to measure those two things.  We have found that it is essential to know someone who knows the candidate well and who also knows us well to assess both character and past performance.

You told me that you are known around Lake Pointe as somewhat of a “nut” about leadership!  I know that reputation is simply a reflection of your belief that if leaders are not developed, the church suffers and is limited in it’s capacity to touch its community and the world.  Your passion is a demonstration of a strong culture for leadership.  What are the things you do to develop and nourish that culture?

I agree with Bill Hybels when he said the best way to learn how to lead is to lead something.  We are continually putting people in situations to lead that will stretch their current capacity.  Part of our corporate language around here is to identify opportunities for leading as M1, M2, and M3.  If someone is doing a good job leading in a M1 situation, then let’s invite him/her to lead at the M2 level.  Then if that individual is doing well at the M2 level, let’s give him a try at the M3 level.  The way you get better at anything is to do it—including developing your leadership muscles.

Secondly, I think it is important to be around other leaders.

Finally, you improve your capacity to lead by reading everything you can get your hands on concerning leadership.  I have been mentored for years by many leaders who I’ve never met, but I have benefited from their leadership IQ by reading their best stuff.

Some have critiqued the multi-site movement believing that it feeds a diminishing pool of leaders.  You told me that you believe it has exactly the opposite effect.  How so?

This is a great time to be a participant in the church leadership world.  There are so many different kinds of opportunities to lead that require different types of leaders.  The multi-site movement is an example of this.  It is providing many more opportunities for strong leaders who may not fit into the “senior pastor” leadership mold.  Some do not possess a strong gift for communication or teaching, but they are high capacity leaders and the multi-site model is creating a variety of brand new categories for those leaders.

One of the key components to your leadership development model is what you call “resourcing.”  What are the resources you are feeding your leaders with during this season of ministry?

I think there are three streams of resources that help build a leader and I need to make sure that my leaders are getting a fresh infusion of all three streams.

First, there is what I call the science of leadership, and there are a lot of great writers and thinkers out there to whom I can introduce our leaders, i.e., Peter Drucker and Jim Collins.

The second stream is the implementation of those leadership principles.  People like Ken Blanchard and Marcus Buckingham represent the group helping us with those issues.

Then the third and most important stream is the leader’s soul.  People like Mark Buchanan who wrote “The Rest of God” and J. Oswald Sanders, who wrote “Spiritual Leadership” are two examples of contributors who help us consider the importance of growing in character.

What is new about the multi-site ministry at Lake Pointe since we last talked?

In the last year, we have closed down a couple of what I would call “boutique” campuses.  These are campuses that were “flyers.”  In other words, we didn’t know whether they would work or whether there was enough of a critical mass for them to be successful in the long run, but we thought they were worth trying.  After giving them a good run, we realized they weren’t going to be viable.  We’re not sorry we started those particular campuses.  We learned a lot about what to do and what not to do, and we believe that a certain amount of experimentation and risk is healthy and necessary.  We are getting ready to launch a third major campus within the next 12 months, and because of the current economic environment are moving slower but are feeling confident that multi-site ministry is a proven and effective way to make disciples.

What have I not asked that I should have?

You did not ask what do we not have figured out about multi sites.  There are several—but the one most perplexing to us that we continue to struggle with is what strengths and personality type are necessary for an effective campus pastor.  We are still trying to figure this one out.  I think we are getting closer – but we’re not there.

0310293944_cimageTo get the latest updates be sure to sign up for the RSS feed at www.multisitechurchroadtrip.com

Greg Ligon

Twitter – @gregligon

email – greg.ligon@leadnet.org

11 September, 2009

Multi-site Church Road Trip – Robert Emmitt and Launching Campuses

by cubfann

Welcome to day three of our conversations with senior pastors featured in our new book – A Multi-site Church Road Trip.  Today, we are headed to San Antonio for a conversation with Robert Emmitt, Senior Pastor at Community Bible Church.

question mark1. Robert, your original campus there in San Antonio reaches 14,000 folks every week in a large, beautiful campus.  Some multi-site churches have chosen to secure locations with a similar look and feel to that of their original campus but you chose to go with a wide variety of locations?  Say a little about why you chose to do that?

Variety is the spice of life! The only people who really cared about the multi-site CBC’s looking and feeling like the original campus, were those of us who were at the original campus. The communities that we are reaching with our multi-site CBC’s don’t know anything about the original campus. So rather than try to recreate something that no one knew about, we just decided to let the pastors and leadership teams build their own church. They are all called CBC’s. They all have great music, practical bible teaching, and small group ministries. They are connected through our website. The pastor’s job is to find the best building at the best price. Whether that is a school, shopping center, restaurant or sharing another church facility. We’re open to whatever doors the Lord opens up for us.

2. What are the pros and cons of being in such a wide variety of campus settings?

The pro’s are the more different campus settings we find, the more doors we learn to knock on for the new CBC’s. I can’t think of any negatives for the wide variety. We are trying to reach, teach and help as many people as we can in Jesus name. The campus settings are secondary to our mission. That has been the history of CBC. We started in a restaurant, moved to a park, a movie theater, a store front, a shopping center and our current location. The buildings change but the mission remains the same.

3. Which of the settings works best?  Why?

The permanent (at least 3 years) works best.  The shopping center with a 3 year lease, is working great. The 4 acres with a new church on is great. Schools have been frustrating as they don’t really like having churches in them.

4. What is new about the multi-site ministry at Community Bible Church since we last talked?

We quit playing the CD’s of Robert, and let the pastors do the preaching.  We are looking more like a church planting ministry than a traditional multi-site. We are moving from a part time pastor to a full time pastor model. It costs more, but if you want the churches to grow, then the pastors need to devote their full time to it.

5. What have I not asked that I should have?

How many CBC’s would you like to have in the next 5 years? Answer: 100  Are you on track? No.
Why not? We got bogged down in trying to manage all the details for the multi-sites. What is your solution? Tell the pastors “You can do it. We can help.” Wait a second, that’s Home Depot’s line.  How about “You can do it, we’ll help you.”

We will stay in Texas tomorrow with a stop in to talk with leadership development guru Steve Stroope, senior pastor at Lake Pointe Church.

We would love to have us help spread the word about Multi-site Church Road Trip.  We have developed a free online resource – Multi-site Church Toolkit: Launch Analysis that we will send to anyone who completes one of the following.

  • spread the wordBuys a copy of the book
  • Posts this tweet – Get a copy of Multi-site Church Road Trip Now at http://bit.ly/2KZlzO
  • Posts a comment on this blog or creates a post on your own blog.
  • Posts a review on Amazon.com

Once you have completed one of the items above send an email to multisiteroadtrip@zondervan.com indicating where you purchased the book or made your post and we will send you the free resource.

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Greg Ligon

Twitter – @gregligon

email – greg.ligon@leadnet.org

10 September, 2009

Multi-site Church Road Trip Gone Global, Dave Browning, Christ the King Community Church

by cubfann

Welcome to day two of the road trip.  This is the second in a series of posts containing conversations that we recently had with some of the senior pastors featured in our new book – A Multi-site Church Road Trip.  In each post you will gain additional insights by getting updates about the featured church and hearing the heart of the leader.

Today’s guest – Dave Browning (twitter – @bigdaverino), Christ the King Community Church.

1. Dave, you say in Multi-site Church Road Trip that you and the team at Christ the King have 120 campuses and many of those are actually International campuses. What does an international campus look like?  How is the same/different from one of your state-side campuses?

global pictureOverseas our gatherings are often not in an owned or leased facilities.  Some of our congregations meet in tents, or under trees, or town squares.  Often the gatherings have children present, whereas in the US we offer children’s programming simultaneous the worship service.  In the US our services are typically an hour or less.  Overseas, our services are often longer than two hours.  In some cultures the leader has a more prominent role that we tend to see in the US.

2. I think it is interesting that you have a commitment to international campuses and a high value for use of technology in developing leaders but no Internet campuses?  Any reason for that?

Our international reach is more of a “God-thing” than anything else.  We had no plan to be outside of our own county, much less around the world.  But once you define the church by relationship, instead of geography, you realize that relationships do not respect geographical boundaries.  We say that we can go as far as relationships will take us.  Our goal is to raise up people to do ministry, so we view technology as a tool, not a strategy.

3. We have talked recently about your discovery that there is a greater access to cell coverage than high speed internet in India and many of the countries you are serving in Africa and that this has prompted you to redesign your leadership development training to be delivered in text size messages. Can you give us an update on where you are in that process?  What is working?  What is not?

I send out a weekly email that gets resent as text by our international leaders.  Some of our leaders follow me on Twitter as well.  The cell phone is clearly the next laptop.  More SMS texts are sent every day in the world than email messages.  We are attempting to take our “teachable points of view” and distill them to 140 characters or less.  We are also developing 60-second sermons that can be utilized on cell phones.

0310285674_image4. You are the author of Deliberate Simplicity, another title in the Leadership Network Innovation Series.  How do the key principles of simplicity find application in the establishment and execution of International Campuses?

Simplicity resonates in the two-thirds world, because it really is the only option.  There are not resources available in much of the world to support the attractional model.

5. What is new about the multi-site ministry at Christ the King since we last talked?

I believe that God is showing us some new things about worship.  Many of our leaders are feeling that our corporate worship has been too much about us, and not enough about Him.  We are also exploring more non-musical forms of worship that have great potential to reduce our dependence on musicians as key to expanding the church.

6. What have I not asked that I should have?

You ask great questions.  One additional one might be, “What complicates overseas ministry?”  The answer would be:  money. There is such a huge resource disparity between our church in the US and our church in the two-thirds world that we are wrestling constantly with how much to support needs overseas.  So far we have sent very nominal and sporadic support, and have placed an emphasis on being self-sustaining.  But it is often difficult to say “no” when they need it and we have it.

Next stop? Robert Emmitt, Senior Pastor, Community Bible Church, San Antonio, Texas

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Greg Ligon

Twitter – @gregligon

email – greg.ligon@leadnet.org

9 September, 2009

Multi-site Church Road Trip – Craig Groeschel and Share Communication

by cubfann

This is the first of a series of posts containing conversations that we recently had with some of the senior pastors featured in our new book – A Multi-site Church Road Trip.  In each post you will gain additional insights by getting updates about the featured church and hearing the heart of the leader.

GroeschelFirst up – Craig Groeschel, LifeChurch.tv.

Q: Craig, you and the team at LifeChurch.tv have really pioneered the most effective model of using what we call a shared communicator in the Multi-site Church Road Trip.  Beyond your excellent communication skills, what are some of the primary reasons it works for you to be the primary teaching pastor and directional leader for a campus that is literally a couple of time zones away?
A: Greg, first of all, I’m actually doing less teaching now than in the past. We are working hard to develop more speakers on our team and effectively using guest speakers. Even with this shift, we still generally have one communicator broadcast to all the campuses. Having only one person preparing a message, frees the other pastors to spend more time shepherding people and leading their teams. Rather than being the directional leaders for the extended campus, we’re also allowing our campuses more autonomy to make decisions in their community.
Q: You have developed a model for connection with LifeChurch.tv that has three tiers – Open, Network and United. Why “qualifies” a church to become a part of the tightest affiliation – United?
A: Far more churches are becoming a Network Church rather than a United Church. As of today, we have 74 Network Churches. These are totally separate 501c-3s that use our weekly teaching. (Many also use our kids curriculum and worship all at no charge.) Churches who are part of the LifeChurch.tv Network are reporting great responses and stories of changed lives from their members and attendees. In order for a United partnership to occur, we’re looking for a unique set of circumstances where we can do more together than apart. Only in rare situations is it worth uniting since merging churches can be painful, and there are so many effective ways to partner.

Q: It is not news that you, and other pastors of large multi-site churches, are sometimes accused of building your own kingdom … of limiting the leadership potential of others because of your “celebrity status”.  When you get these calls and emails, how do you respond?
A: People may say that, but I rarely hear it. Truthfully, we believe that we are building great leaders and don’t pay a lot of attention to uninformed criticisms.
Q: What is new about the multi-site ministry at LifeChurch.tv since we last talked?
A: We continue to become more passionate about serving the broader body of Christ. Rather than simply focusing on building more campuses, we are focusing on building the Church at large. On our personal learning curve, we have learned that our multi site strategy works better in medium sized and larger campuses. We haven’t learned to do multi-site at small campuses well. We’re trying to learn from others who do church in small venues effectively.

Q:What have I not asked that I should have?
A: You didn’t ask me what I’m pumped about! I’m pumped to see generosity and Kingdom mindedness in churches across the world. So many anointed Christian leaders are working together. I honestly believe that together we can make a significant difference in the world! I’m also very excited about what God is doing through church online. This is a fantastic tool to take the message of Christ to people who might not experience it otherwise. I’m excited about all the different ministries God is blessing.

Stay tuned for tomorrow’s conversation with Dave Browning, author of Deliberate Simplicity and lead pastor at Christ the King Community Church.  You will get the behind-the-scenes scoop on International Campuses – the multi-site church gone global!

We would love to have us help spread the word about Multi-site Church Road Trip.  We have developed a free online resource – Multi-site Church Toolkit: Launch Analysis that we will send to anyone who completes one of the following.

  • Buys a copy of the book
  • Posts this tweet – Get a copy of Multi-site Church Road Trip Now at http://bit.ly/2KZlzO0310293944_cimage
  • Posts a comment on this blog or creates a post on your own blog.
  • Posts a review on Amazon.com

Once you have completed one of the items above send an email to multisiteroadtrip@zondervan.com indicating where you purchased the book or made your post and we will send you the free resource.

To get the latest updates be sure to sign up for the RSS feed at www.multisitechurchroadtrip.com

Greg Ligon

Twitter – @gregligon

email – greg.ligon@leadnet.org

8 September, 2009

A Multi-Site Church Roadtrip Schedule

by cubfann

RoadtripOn the road again!  The book is out and now we are hitting the road once again – this time to share the stories captured in A Multi-site Church Road Trip with churches and leaders across the country and around the world.  Over the next 8-9 months we will be conducting a tour that will include stops at churches featured in the book, major conferences and plenty of online stops to explore the new normal.

First stops – Senior Pastor Blog Tour and Leadership Network’s The Show

Current schedule includes:

To get the latest updates be sure to sign up for the RSS feed at www.multisitechurchroadtrip.com

Greg Ligon

Twitter – @gregligon

email – greg.ligon@leadnet.org

LNIS Sampler CoverYou can also get 50% off of A Multi-Site Church Roadtrip, The Multi-Site Church Revolution and the other books in the Leadership Network Innovation Series for 50% off through the end of September by using this code (810053) when you shop on Zondervan.com/ministry.  Visit www.zondervan.com/lnis for more info.

8 September, 2009

Multi-site Church Road Trip En Route to a Store Near You

by cubfann

0310293944_cimageWe are thrilled to announce the release of our latest book on the multi-site church movement – A Multi-site Church Road Trip.  According to the great team at Zondervan, copies began shipping from their warehouse on Friday, September 4.  So pick up yours at a local Christian bookstore or place an order today.

The book is packed with the stories of leaders and churches who are taking the multi-site model to innovative new places – from lower income neighborhoods to the internet and literally around the world through locations in India and many countries across the continent of Africa.  Warren, Geoff and I take you behind the scenes to our road trip conversations with 15 plus senior pastors who are leading the new models.

In addition to new locations, you will discover what is new in terms of technology, structure, mergers and leadership development.  And be sure to check out what is certain to be a hot topic chapter, “Are You Sure This Isn’t A Sin?”

We would love to have us help spread the word.  We have developed a free online resource – Multi-site Church Toolkit: Launch Analysis that we will send to anyone who completes one of the following.

  • Buys a copy of the book
  • Posts this tweet – “Get a copy of Multi-site Church Road Trip Now at http://bit.ly/2KZlzO
  • Posts a comment on this blog or creates a post on your own blog.
  • Posts a review on Amazon.com

Once you have completed one of the items above send an email to multisiteroadtrip@zondervan.com indicating where you purchased the book or made your post and we will send you the free resource

Hope that you have as much fun “exploring the new normal” on this road trip as we have!

Greg Ligon

Twitter – @gregligon

email – greg.ligon@leadnet.org

You can also get 50% off of A Multi-Site Church Roadtrip, The Multi-Site Church Revolution and the other books in the Leadership Network Innovation Series for 50% off through the end of September by using this code (810053) when you shop on Zondervan.com/ministry.  Visit www.zondervan.com/lnis for more info.

15 June, 2009

God is kicking my butt

by cubfann

when we first walked in the smell of animal excrement, mold and filth rushed on us.  every open space had trash in it.  one room was the bird room – a room that served instead of a cage – birds roamed free, never cleaned and food flung into the room every now and again.  dead rodents were scattered and found in any crevice and in the furniture, and were only dead because an exterminator came in a few days before we did.  50 years of memories, clutter, neglect and animals of all sorts had turned this house into a garbage heap.

dementia settled in the last few years of her long life, but the paranoia had been resident for decades.  she would not let anyone in the house.  she lived with her special-needs daughter-in-law, carmen, who was 20 years younger than her.  when she died a few months ago at 98, other family were brought in to care for carmen.  they also determined to clean out, fix, and attempt to sell the house.

this is where our small group came into the story.  we had heard of this need through thecommon.org, which is a site that people can post up things they need assistance with and such.  another member of our group had seen this and thought it would be a good thing for our group to help out with.  

i’ll be honest, i did not want to do it.  we were told about the conditions at our wednesday night small group gathering and this sounded like something messier than i wanted to be a part of.  when kate and i walked in and were physically overcome with the stench and horrific conditions, we wondered aloud to one another if we would be able to stand working in these conditions for very long.  we spent the morning filling a dumpster, bringing down trash and salvageable things from the two floors upstairs and cleaning up poop, broken glass, and rodent carcasses.

there was something that struck me more than a house in this condition only a 5 minute drive from my door; more than the fact that the next-door neighbor was a church with a brand-new church building that had done nothing; more than being thankful for what God has blessed me with; even more than horror at 2 people living in those conditions for that long.  

what struck me the most was my own selfishness.

i prefer to spend my time fixing my stuff, playing with my kids, doing what makes me happy.  i am very concerned with my needs, my wants, my little world.  the fact that i didn’t want to spend a few hours helping out people who clearly needed it put an exclamation point on this for me.  luckily, God did not let me weasel out of that day.  he put me there and exposed my heart to me – and i did not like what i saw.

the last couple weeks God has been really kicking my butt all over the place.  from listening to messages by one of my favorite authors, to what my own pastor is talking about, to reading crazy love by francis chan.  God is trying to slap me across the face and wake me up from my stupor.  in crazy love, chan says this: “the thought of a person calling himself a ‘christian’ without being a devoted follower of Christ is absurd.”  i think for too long now, i have subscribed to the comparison game of christianity – i look better than some people on the outside, and i must be doing alright.

God calls us to leave our selfish desires and follow him into the sewers of the world, bringing light.  i learned this weekend that i have been busy trying to make my light look good on the outside and not using it for what it was intended – going to dark places.

Jesus not only spent time in messy places during his ministry, he calls us to do the same.  in mattew 28, Jesus gathered up the disciples and has some final words for them.  he says, “all authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me.  therefore…” i will show my glory to the entire world and all will see that I am the Lord.

we all know that is not how it goes.  but doesn’t that make more sense?  Jesus conquers death, has all authority over heaven and earth, and he entrusts the job of showing his glory to the world to us?  doesn’t seem like the best plan to me.  but then, he didn’t ask for my feedback.

God has a heart for all people, and he is calling us to go to them and show them his glory.  we are God’s first and only plan.  here is a short passage from servolution by dino rizzo:

“it’s time for you to pick up your towel and join the servolution.  there are no excuses worth someone else’s eternal life.  with God’s help, you can lead a servolution that can revolutionize your city.  the troops are followers of Christ, the companies of soldiers are churches, and the weapons are towels for service.  once you have experienced the sense of purpose that comes from serving others with your time, resources, and every bit of energy you possess, you’ll find yourself wanting to serve more and more.  and so will your entire team.  through our lives, through our families, and through our churches, God is about to touch the lives of millions of others in ways we never dreamed possible.  we can’t let them get away.”

9 June, 2009

favoring discipline over reconciliation

by cubfann

tst-logothe next chapter in geoff surratt’s ten stupid things that keep churches from growing is on “favoring discipline over reconciliation”.  talking about church discipline brings up many opinions among both church members and ministers.  we all know that reconciliation is the goal, but when and to what extent do we need to discipline?  geoff tackles these issues in this chapter.  here is the opening story that geoff tells.  how would you counsel pastor bob?

a friend of mine pastors a church of fifty people. he has pastored several churches in the time i have known him and every church eventually averages fifty people. i’m pretty sure he will always pastor a church of fifty people. the interesting thing is that he seldom pastors the same fifty people from year to year, so there is certainly variety. the pattern is almost always the same. my friend, we’ll call him pastor bob, will move to a new church in a new community. he will spend a lot of time getting to know the people in the church; he will visit them in the hospital, officiate at their parents’ funerals, and perform their children’s weddings. pastor bob will invite people in town to his church, and the congregation will begin to grow. everyone loves pastor bob and everyone comments that they have never had a pastor like him. before long pastor bob’s church has grown to sixty, seventy, even eighty people. and then it happens: someone in the congregation has to be confronted. someone is stirring up trouble in the church. an attendee may be spreading rumors about pastor bob, a leader may be living in sin, or a deacon just won’t get with the program. whatever the cause, pastor bob knows what has to be done. he sets up a meeting with the offending member and confronts this individual with his or her misdeed. this meeting seldom goes well; few people like to be confronted with their shortcomings. sometimes the censured members decide to leave the church; sometimes pastor bob asks them to leave the church. when they leave, they take several families with them. soon the church is down to seventy members, then sixty, and finally fifty. pastor bob would love to see his church grow beyond fifty, but he can’t just ignore issues that require church discipline, can he?

Chapter 8 cartoon

geoff writes in the chapter about free passes for everyone, what effective church discipline looks like, and profiles dino rizzo at the end of the chapter on the subject.

how about you?  what situations have you dealt with in the realms of church discipline?  what lessons have you learned?  how does your church handle discipline?  the first 10 commentors who leave a comment between now and next tuesday, 15 june, will get a free copy of geoff’s book, ten stupid things that keep churches from growing.

15 May, 2009

slamming the back door shut

by cubfann

recently larry osborne answered some questions about his book, sticky church.  you can see his answers below.  

 

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1.    Your new book has an engaging title! Explain it.

Sticky Church is all about finding a way to keep people long enough to fulfill the second half of the Great Commission, “Teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.”

 That can’t be done in a revolving door ministry. We’ve focused on how to open the front door wider. But we’ve paid scant attention to the backdoor – to the point the some of the best front door churches are unaware of their huge back door. Sticky Church is a proven strategy to slam the back door shut and keep it shut.

 

2.    What works best in your own church when it comes to recruiting and training leaders?

Ministry is addictive. There’s nothing like seeing God work through you. That’s why we always recruit leaders by asking for a small, doable, bite-sized step of leadership rather than a big assignment that scares people off. Once someone takes the first small step of leadership, the Holy Spirit takes it from there.

 The same holds true for our training of leaders. We find bite-sized training in the midst of their task (an apprentice model) works best. It gives them what they need when they need it rather than overloading new leaders with too much information on the front end of their service.

 

3.    Tell us about the Holy Man myth.

The Holy Man myth is the antithesis of the priesthood of the believers. It’s the idea that the mantle of leadership means that a leader’s prayers and access to God are greater than everyone else’s’. It kills lay ministry and turns the church into a spectator sport.

 

4.    As you interact with pastors and small group leaders, what are they saying about the Small Group Covenant?

Leaders love the covenant because it gives them something to hold people accountable to. Without a group covenant it’s hard to hold the group member who always arrives late, unprepared or otherwise wrecks the group accountable for their actions. The covenant acts as a reminder of what’s expected around here.

 

5.    What other insights would you like to share with pastors and churchgoers?

Sticky Church is call to start measuring retention rates as carefully as we measure signup rates. Ultimately, retention is one of the simplest and best measurements of organizational health – without it, it’s hard to really change people and bring them to full maturity in Christ.

5 May, 2009

settling for low quality in children’s ministry

by cubfann

tsst-logotoday i wanted to hit chapter four in geoff surratt’s new book, ten stupid things that keep churches from growing.  it deals with the aspect of ministering to our kids.  geoff says that “effective children’s ministry has never been more important to the life of the church than it is today….children often determine if and when their family goes to church.”  in this chapter we have a guest author – geoff’s wife sherry (no jokes about this being the best written chapter).  sherry has loads of experience in children’s ministry and lends her expertise.

sherry starts with what children’s ministry is (not church for short people) and then gives 4 lessons she has learned.  kids love making noises, messes, and having fun.

  • lesson one: it matters who’s on your team.
  • lesson two: it matters what you do
  • lesson three: it matters what parents think
  • lesson four: it matters that you know what your families expect

chapter-4-cartoongeoff finishes the chapter by way of interview with craig groeschel asking questions about the children’s ministry at lifechurch.tv.  three questions that craig gives as the key elements of an excellent children’s ministry are

  1. is it effective?
  2. is it aligned with the church’s vision?
  3. is it being led with purpose?

i want to take a minute and brag about my church (ada bible church) and their children’s ministry.  having been a parent for 21 months, i am new to the children’s ministry game, but have had two different experiences.  we visited one church a couple of times but we were never able to get jack into the nursery because it was full.  we have never had that issue at ada.  and having worked in the nursery at one of the video venue campuses, i know that they don’t just pack the room regardless.  if they get a stampede of kids, they have volunteers they can call as backups to come and help.

jack has since moved up out of the nursery and has been with the 2-3 year olds for about a month now.  he loves going to sunday school.  this last week evidently he was crawling around on all fours and panting like a dog – just a kid having fun.  every week he makes a drawing or craft and the teacher gives me a little paper that has a big idea on it that the kids heard, and some take-aways the parents can go over with their kids later that week.

4es_fmeach area of kids ministry has it’s own “e” that is the focus for the volunteers to focus on when with the kids.  from birth to young 5 year olds, they just love on the kids and the “e” stands for embrace – kids learn from teachers that they are embraced by God’s love.  for kids k-5th grade the “e” stands for expect.  this means the teachers help the kids learn to expect that God can be trusted.  in jr high, kids “e”xperience connection with God and others; and in high school kids “e”xpress faith & relationship throughout God’s world.

jack is still to little to know what is going on, but as a parent, i could not be more happy with the kids ministry at ada.  i’d love to hear you brag about your children’s ministry as well, so please leave a comment talking up what you love about how your church supports parents and loves kids!

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